Monday, November 30, 2009

How does the concept of Free Will apply to a baby who dies at Birth ?

Are people saying that Eve is responsible for that babies death ? 鈥?Inherent sin from the original sin passed down through the genes ?How does the concept of Free Will apply to a baby who dies at Birth ?
i guess they are unaccountable for their lifes.How does the concept of Free Will apply to a baby who dies at Birth ?
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To have free will, you have to be able to make a choice. A baby is unable to do so, therefore is innocent of making a wrong choice...
You seem to have it about right. A baby dies because its body or its mothers body is not perfect. Our bodies are not perfect because our parents are not perfect. So imperfection has been passed on through generations. That is different from the accountability we have for things we do wrong deliberately. That is why christ died for us to redeem us from our inherently sinful condition.
The wages sin pays is death, God warned Adam and Eve that they must not eat from that tree, or on that day they would die in that their prospect for eternal life was forfeit. Eve gave birth after they had sinned and been banished from eden, therefore no sinless children were born. It is Adam and Eve and the fact they passed on sin and subsequently death through it, that is to blame
Free will does not apply to infants they are not able to make choices or think for themselves. Eve is not responsible for anyones death. No one is held accountable for sin until they can understand the consequences of their actions. Infants, profoundly retarded, or mentally incompatent are not able to understand sin or about Jesus and his sacriface, they are innocent mentally and emotionally. Free will applies only to those who are mentally able to make a choice to accept or reject the sacriface that Jesus made on the cross, and recogonize that they have sinned against him and need his forgiveness to attain heaven. When you understand the consequences of your choice you are held accountable, and God knows when that is.
The concept of free will, and indeed religion is man made, and false.


A baby that dies at birth is unlucky - no more no less.
Well, to answer your question, we have to take a look at what free will is. Most people will tell you that it is the ability to choose between right and wrong. It's the ';right'; part that we have to address here, because the implication is that we are able to choose God and therefore our own salvation. Arminians will say we do have this ability, and Calvinists will say we do not. However, the Calvinist denial of free will in this sense, is also denied by Arminians when it comes to babies, but for different reasons, i.e. the inability to choose rather than an inherent sin nature.





As far as Eve being responsible for condemnation of babies who die, this is where you'll find one of the greatest differences between Arminianism and Calvinism. Arminians believe that those under the age of reason are not responsible for their sins, and are automatically saved through the avoidance of hell. And you've seen some answers that allude to this already.





But the Calvinist position is that while Adam and Eve were not responsible for individual sin, we do live under a federal representation of their sin, and since they lost fellowship with God, everyone following them also lost that fellowship. We cannot of our own ability look to God for salvation. Neither is anyone innocent before the Lord, and this is why God allowed the Hebrews to sacrifice animals as an atonement for sin, and this is why Jesus claimed his own for God's kingdom 2000 years ago for us. So no, original sin is not ';passed down through the genes.'; But we are born without any inclination to fellowship with God, and it is God himself who must intervene in order for our belief to take place.
Babies are not accountable for sin.


They are to young and have no knowledge of it, therefore when they die they go to Heaven.


Only at the age of accountability are we accountable for our sins and that varies.
The concept of free will does not apply to a baby who dies at birth. The laws of nature do. So does the reality that, although we don't like it, we don't live in a perfect world.





We live in a world that has more than its share of sadness and death. But God understands this because, in the person of the Son, He lived among us in this imperfect world. He even suffered and died here.





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